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		<title>By: Rafael D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really did like HG when I was looking for property and for an agent. I preferred Zillow for quite sometime, but recently I have found service called Agentmachine that provides consumers the best agent in their neighborhood.

my 2cents.

here is a link
&lt;a href=&quot;www.agentmachine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agentmachine.com&lt;/a&gt;, a great tool to find top real estate agents and realtors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really did like HG when I was looking for property and for an agent. I preferred Zillow for quite sometime, but recently I have found service called Agentmachine that provides consumers the best agent in their neighborhood.</p>
<p>my 2cents.</p>
<p>here is a link<br />
<a href="www.agentmachine.com" rel="nofollow">agentmachine.com</a>, a great tool to find top real estate agents and realtors</p>
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		<title>By: Max The Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HomeGain was purchased in 2005 by Classified Ventures for $100 million dollars. HomeGain revenues in 2008 are expected to be $24 million or less, a huge drop from 2 years ago when we had revenues of $39 million. Challenges in the economy are taking their toll on our business model. Help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HomeGain was purchased in 2005 by Classified Ventures for $100 million dollars. HomeGain revenues in 2008 are expected to be $24 million or less, a huge drop from 2 years ago when we had revenues of $39 million. Challenges in the economy are taking their toll on our business model. Help!</p>
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		<title>By: MARK Z.</title>
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		<dc:creator>MARK Z.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow it looks like Homegain is moving up in the world very quickly.  I know a lot of homebuyers love Homegain. You have to keep up with technology if you want to stay alive in this market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow it looks like Homegain is moving up in the world very quickly.  I know a lot of homebuyers love Homegain. You have to keep up with technology if you want to stay alive in this market.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Waner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Waner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to address the comment &quot;only a realtor can know if a property is on a canal or golf course and therefore is the only one capable of properly valuing a property&quot;.  The regional website www.maprealty.com uses parcel level mapping which shows the exact location of the property so anyone can see if it is ocean front.  The purpose of the site is to work with realtors as it creates leads similar to Zillow, Trulia, etc but it is also to provide the best and most accurate information available to the consumer.  The site has all registry of deeds sales and assessing records and allows the user to easily compare similar properties.  The parcel geography, assessing, and previously sold homes data is currently limited to Boston but expansion is in the works.  Why shouldn&#039;t the consumer have access to what other properties sold for per square foot and what the ratio of assessed value to sale price was?  This helps the buyer/seller and honest realtors.  I&#039;m sure many realtors have been frustrated at losing a potential client because a competitor inflated the supposed value of a seller&#039;s home.  MapRealty rewards the honest realtor by showing the consumer that the inflated value is likely fictional.  Obviously features within individual homes make one more valuable then the other but a good realtor can demonstrate this to a well informed consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to address the comment &#8220;only a realtor can know if a property is on a canal or golf course and therefore is the only one capable of properly valuing a property&#8221;.  The regional website <a href="http://www.maprealty.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.maprealty.com</a> uses parcel level mapping which shows the exact location of the property so anyone can see if it is ocean front.  The purpose of the site is to work with realtors as it creates leads similar to Zillow, Trulia, etc but it is also to provide the best and most accurate information available to the consumer.  The site has all registry of deeds sales and assessing records and allows the user to easily compare similar properties.  The parcel geography, assessing, and previously sold homes data is currently limited to Boston but expansion is in the works.  Why shouldn&#8217;t the consumer have access to what other properties sold for per square foot and what the ratio of assessed value to sale price was?  This helps the buyer/seller and honest realtors.  I&#8217;m sure many realtors have been frustrated at losing a potential client because a competitor inflated the supposed value of a seller&#8217;s home.  MapRealty rewards the honest realtor by showing the consumer that the inflated value is likely fictional.  Obviously features within individual homes make one more valuable then the other but a good realtor can demonstrate this to a well informed consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: TexasAgent34</title>
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		<dc:creator>TexasAgent34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buying leads from homegain is a total waste of money. The say they send the leads out on average to 7 other agents. This is misleading because that is the average across the entire network. Any agent purchasing leads in anywhere near a metroplitan area is going to get sold leads that are going to hundreds of other agents. This is something homegain does not want you to know. They also do not qualify the leads in any way.  Any bogus information that is filled out on the site from the &quot;home evaluation tool&quot; is then sold to agents for cold hard cash! Dont you love it when you get leads from &quot;Screw off in Austin&quot; and &quot;yeah right in Dallas&quot;. Such a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buying leads from homegain is a total waste of money. The say they send the leads out on average to 7 other agents. This is misleading because that is the average across the entire network. Any agent purchasing leads in anywhere near a metroplitan area is going to get sold leads that are going to hundreds of other agents. This is something homegain does not want you to know. They also do not qualify the leads in any way.  Any bogus information that is filled out on the site from the &#8220;home evaluation tool&#8221; is then sold to agents for cold hard cash! Dont you love it when you get leads from &#8220;Screw off in Austin&#8221; and &#8220;yeah right in Dallas&#8221;. Such a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Zillow Rules!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zillow Rules!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to published reports, HomeGain&#039;s revenues are between $30 to $40 million dollars per year (never above $42 million). This explains why they feel so threatened by the attention Zillow is achieving with their revolutionary service--Just look at the countless negative comments Louis Cammarosano, HomeGain&#039;s General Manager has posted all over the internet against Zillow . I am betting Zillow will revolutionize on-line real estate and in the process demolish Mickey Mouse operations like HomeGain, HouseValues, Reply! and others. If operations like HomeGain were not afraid of Zillow they would not spend any time attempting to trash their service. 
Zillow has the managerial acumen to be the best. Go Get Them Rich Barton!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to published reports, HomeGain&#8217;s revenues are between $30 to $40 million dollars per year (never above $42 million). This explains why they feel so threatened by the attention Zillow is achieving with their revolutionary service&#8211;Just look at the countless negative comments Louis Cammarosano, HomeGain&#8217;s General Manager has posted all over the internet against Zillow . I am betting Zillow will revolutionize on-line real estate and in the process demolish Mickey Mouse operations like HomeGain, HouseValues, Reply! and others. If operations like HomeGain were not afraid of Zillow they would not spend any time attempting to trash their service.<br />
Zillow has the managerial acumen to be the best. Go Get Them Rich Barton!</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Why HomeGain Beats Zillow</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Why HomeGain Beats Zillow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: best newspaper</title>
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		<dc:creator>best newspaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason Doyle - GM - HOMES.COM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Doyle - GM - HOMES.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great debate!    I&#039;ve been working in this online real estate vertical since 1998.  This topic has come up more than a few times.  Do you build your business around the consumer or the broker/agent?  I have learned over the years that if you want to build a business that generates revenues and is profitable  (i know, sounds crazy &#039;eh?), you have to achieve a balance between serving the consumer and advertiser.  If you tip the scales too far towards one or the other, you&#039;ll lose every time.  

If you choose to focus more on the interest of the broker/agent, you end up with a lack luster consumer experience.  It could be argued that this is what you get on HomeGain.  Going in this direction allows you to generate revenues and hopefully profits.  However, your ability to sustain this model is strictly dependent on the company&#039;s ability to control and maintain it&#039;s distribution...or in the online world, consumer traffic channels.  HomeGain has done a good job keeping a grip on their distribution points and has solidified that grip by joining a large Newspaper conglomerate.  That&#039;s still a long term risky bet though with consumers moving away from traditional information outlets in print and online (AOL, Yahoo, etc.).  The minute they lose access to those distribution points or those distribution points themselves erode, they will have trouble.

If you choose to focus too much on the consumer, you&#039;ll struggle to continually grow revenues.  Now let me clarify that because I know you&#039;re thinking of all those business that have proven that statement wrong...Google being the main one.  The online real estate space is a niche within the internet.  One site can only generate so much traffic and by having a consumer centric site, you&#039;re limited on the products you can sell to advertisers. The internet is a market place just like a flea market or a shopping mall.  The marketplace makes money by charging the vendors/sellers to display their goods assuming the marketplace is in a good position to attract buyers.  Not rocket science.

Now for the irony of the &quot;consumer centric&quot; sites.

Zillow lauched their site with property records data that they paid a pretty penny for in order to generate &quot;consumer&quot; traffic...don&#039;t get that confused with &quot;buyer&quot; traffic.  This created their marketplace of sorts.  Unfortunately, the &quot;consumers&quot; coming to their marketplace were (and still are) largely homeowners curious as to what Zillow thought their house was worth and to see the neat birds eye view of their home.  They were not attracting &quot;buyers&quot;.  So you take a look at your house but really have no reason to come back or engage with a seller/vendor.  Upon realizing this (and as their traffic dropped month after month), the Zillow guys (new to this space) realized they better get some real listings in order to attract buyers in order to be able to charge brokers/agents.  So they began allowing &quot;free listings&quot;.  Anyone ever question why they are &quot;Free&quot;?  I mean after all, there has to be some value to posting your listings on a site that attracts consumers right?  Well, they now NEED the broker&#039;s listings to evolve their marketplace and to exist long term. The Irony is that as much as they want to be consumer centric, the brokers and agents now control Zillow&#039;s ability to exist.  That&#039;s right...if brokers all decided to boycott them, they&#039;d just be another for sale by owner site with limited data.  Their bird&#039;s eye view already lost its luster long term because most sites now have that mapping technology.  Cyberhomes.com has trumped them on the AVM side so they are in an interesting predicament right now.  

Trulia is another &quot;consumer centric&quot; site where the brokers and agents now control their ability to exist.  Whether brokers know that or not is a whole other question.  Instead of going out and buying other data like Zillow did to establish a consumer marketplace, they created a program to crawl the web and rip-off listing data from other sites.  Yes we were one of them.  Not quite an above board business practice but they now had the attention of the industry.  Big gamble, but because of the industry they did it in, it worked.  After that, they apologized and played dumb even though they knew exactly what they were doing.  They then said, well we&#039;re here now so if you aren&#039;t going to allow us to steal your data why don&#039;t you just give it to us....after all, it&#039;s Free and every little bit of exposure helps right?  Brokers all over bought it hook line and sinker.  Now they are turning around and playing the brokers off each other buy charging them for enhaced listing services.  Gotta hand it to them. 

So again, the sites that will prevail are the ones that create a balanced marketplace.  Just think of that nice new shopping mall versus the old run down one.  They must have consumer centric products but they must also embrace the vendor/seller/broker.  HomeGain is agent/broker centric but will continue to make money and be profitable as long as they control their distribution points.  Zillow is a big question mark right now.  If brokers and agents embrace them like they&#039;ve embraced Trulia, they&#039;ll be fine.  Trulia has achieved a decent balance and is now getting brokers to pay but if their luster wears off and they experience a broker rebellion like Realtor.com did, they&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great debate!    I&#8217;ve been working in this online real estate vertical since 1998.  This topic has come up more than a few times.  Do you build your business around the consumer or the broker/agent?  I have learned over the years that if you want to build a business that generates revenues and is profitable  (i know, sounds crazy &#8216;eh?), you have to achieve a balance between serving the consumer and advertiser.  If you tip the scales too far towards one or the other, you&#8217;ll lose every time.  </p>
<p>If you choose to focus more on the interest of the broker/agent, you end up with a lack luster consumer experience.  It could be argued that this is what you get on HomeGain.  Going in this direction allows you to generate revenues and hopefully profits.  However, your ability to sustain this model is strictly dependent on the company&#8217;s ability to control and maintain it&#8217;s distribution&#8230;or in the online world, consumer traffic channels.  HomeGain has done a good job keeping a grip on their distribution points and has solidified that grip by joining a large Newspaper conglomerate.  That&#8217;s still a long term risky bet though with consumers moving away from traditional information outlets in print and online (AOL, Yahoo, etc.).  The minute they lose access to those distribution points or those distribution points themselves erode, they will have trouble.</p>
<p>If you choose to focus too much on the consumer, you&#8217;ll struggle to continually grow revenues.  Now let me clarify that because I know you&#8217;re thinking of all those business that have proven that statement wrong&#8230;Google being the main one.  The online real estate space is a niche within the internet.  One site can only generate so much traffic and by having a consumer centric site, you&#8217;re limited on the products you can sell to advertisers. The internet is a market place just like a flea market or a shopping mall.  The marketplace makes money by charging the vendors/sellers to display their goods assuming the marketplace is in a good position to attract buyers.  Not rocket science.</p>
<p>Now for the irony of the &#8220;consumer centric&#8221; sites.</p>
<p>Zillow lauched their site with property records data that they paid a pretty penny for in order to generate &#8220;consumer&#8221; traffic&#8230;don&#8217;t get that confused with &#8220;buyer&#8221; traffic.  This created their marketplace of sorts.  Unfortunately, the &#8220;consumers&#8221; coming to their marketplace were (and still are) largely homeowners curious as to what Zillow thought their house was worth and to see the neat birds eye view of their home.  They were not attracting &#8220;buyers&#8221;.  So you take a look at your house but really have no reason to come back or engage with a seller/vendor.  Upon realizing this (and as their traffic dropped month after month), the Zillow guys (new to this space) realized they better get some real listings in order to attract buyers in order to be able to charge brokers/agents.  So they began allowing &#8220;free listings&#8221;.  Anyone ever question why they are &#8220;Free&#8221;?  I mean after all, there has to be some value to posting your listings on a site that attracts consumers right?  Well, they now NEED the broker&#8217;s listings to evolve their marketplace and to exist long term. The Irony is that as much as they want to be consumer centric, the brokers and agents now control Zillow&#8217;s ability to exist.  That&#8217;s right&#8230;if brokers all decided to boycott them, they&#8217;d just be another for sale by owner site with limited data.  Their bird&#8217;s eye view already lost its luster long term because most sites now have that mapping technology.  Cyberhomes.com has trumped them on the AVM side so they are in an interesting predicament right now.  </p>
<p>Trulia is another &#8220;consumer centric&#8221; site where the brokers and agents now control their ability to exist.  Whether brokers know that or not is a whole other question.  Instead of going out and buying other data like Zillow did to establish a consumer marketplace, they created a program to crawl the web and rip-off listing data from other sites.  Yes we were one of them.  Not quite an above board business practice but they now had the attention of the industry.  Big gamble, but because of the industry they did it in, it worked.  After that, they apologized and played dumb even though they knew exactly what they were doing.  They then said, well we&#8217;re here now so if you aren&#8217;t going to allow us to steal your data why don&#8217;t you just give it to us&#8230;.after all, it&#8217;s Free and every little bit of exposure helps right?  Brokers all over bought it hook line and sinker.  Now they are turning around and playing the brokers off each other buy charging them for enhaced listing services.  Gotta hand it to them. </p>
<p>So again, the sites that will prevail are the ones that create a balanced marketplace.  Just think of that nice new shopping mall versus the old run down one.  They must have consumer centric products but they must also embrace the vendor/seller/broker.  HomeGain is agent/broker centric but will continue to make money and be profitable as long as they control their distribution points.  Zillow is a big question mark right now.  If brokers and agents embrace them like they&#8217;ve embraced Trulia, they&#8217;ll be fine.  Trulia has achieved a decent balance and is now getting brokers to pay but if their luster wears off and they experience a broker rebellion like Realtor.com did, they&#8217;re done.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunshine Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunshine Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve researched the lawsuit against HomeGain and it appears HomeGain denied overtime wages and meal breaks to its employees for several years. I think Louis Cammarosano&#039;s silence on this matter speaks volumes. If you ask me I think not paying people is VERY unethical.
Mr. Cammarosano is very outspoken and seems to take every opportunity to criticize Zillow on blogs such as this but when someone points out his company&#039;s shortcomings and legal troubles he says nothing. I don&#039;t know about other agents but I will spend my marketing dollars elsewhere and will make sure my vast network of agents are aware of the lack of ethics at HomeGain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve researched the lawsuit against HomeGain and it appears HomeGain denied overtime wages and meal breaks to its employees for several years. I think Louis Cammarosano&#8217;s silence on this matter speaks volumes. If you ask me I think not paying people is VERY unethical.<br />
Mr. Cammarosano is very outspoken and seems to take every opportunity to criticize Zillow on blogs such as this but when someone points out his company&#8217;s shortcomings and legal troubles he says nothing. I don&#8217;t know about other agents but I will spend my marketing dollars elsewhere and will make sure my vast network of agents are aware of the lack of ethics at HomeGain.</p>
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