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		<title>By: Glenn Kelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, my apologies for the delay in responding to your excellent comment. Redfin has been busy. Here are our responses to your questions:
1. How can we say that clients have a personal connection with an agent? It is clear throughout our site and other materials that the only opportunity for clients to meet our agents in person is via the occasional event at a coffee shop or in our office. The reason we emphasize a personal connection via email and telephone is that clients worry about working with a different person at every turn when in fact there is one agent who is responsible for the customer&#039;s success, who is familiar with the deal history, who offers the client his or her email address, cell number and direct dial number. 

2. Can a computer really generate a comparative market analysis? A computer can provide some data for a comparative market analysis, but an agent&#039;s judgment is valuable. And without such judgment the client is likely to overprice the listing and suffer on the market. Before Redfin lists a home, two Redfin agents typically prepare two separate comparative market analyses to ensure we agree on the price range; if there is significant disagreement, we perform a third. The weakness in our approach is that the agents have not seen the home, only a set of photos, but after having visited some homes we found that this made the customer feel better without having a material effect on the outcome of the analysis. That said, preparing a CMA without having seen the home is a weakness in our approach.

3. Don&#039;t all agents market homes online? Even if we grant as you say that the majority of agents market homes online, this is not a guarantee. With Redfin, it is a term of our service that the property will be systematically posted to other websites multiple times a week. We have measured the effect of different online tactics, and optimized our strategy. There are few other brokerages that offer a defined, regular, sustained online marketing program as a term of its service.

4. Isn&#039;t staging an important service for the brokerage to offer? We are now changing our listing program to include with our fee professional photography; we&#039;re also preparing an online guide to staging a home, with photos to explain how different tactics improve a home&#039;s appearance. That said, we still feel that a professional stager with a warehouse full of furniture is likely to deliver a better result than we can alone. We try to persuade our clients to think of the commission savings as money that can be used in part to invest in material improvements to the property, through staging, landscaping and painting. Some traditional agents offer such services at no additional charge; few offer $12,000 worth of services.

5. Do buyers ask for the commission savings the seller was anticipating getting for himself? We have never seen a buyer factor into his or her pricing the seller&#039;s commission savings. Of course, our listing almost always offer a 3% commission to the buyer&#039;s agent; this isn&#039;t hypocrisy on our part, only pragmatism. We don&#039;t want to discourage any buyer&#039;s agents from recommending the property, and we are not trying to dictate to other brokerages what fees they should reap. 

6. Are sellers really saving $12,000? Yes, this is the approximate average net savings, notwithstanding whatever money the customer invested in the property that he wouldn&#039;t have had to invest himself if he had to work with a traditional agent. If a more accurate number were $10,000, we would have used that number; the commission savings are significant in any event, and we would rather be credible than aggressive in our claims. The number may actually decline as we enter less lucrative markets, and as housing prices overall decline. And we have been trying to develop a fair way to measure if we get a better or worse outcome than other brokerages, as this of course is the ultimate arbiter of our service&#039;s value. 

Thanks again for the great questions, and thanks Joel for your excellent post. I apologize in advance for any typos or gaffes; I had to write this in a rush!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, my apologies for the delay in responding to your excellent comment. Redfin has been busy. Here are our responses to your questions:<br />
1. How can we say that clients have a personal connection with an agent? It is clear throughout our site and other materials that the only opportunity for clients to meet our agents in person is via the occasional event at a coffee shop or in our office. The reason we emphasize a personal connection via email and telephone is that clients worry about working with a different person at every turn when in fact there is one agent who is responsible for the customer&#8217;s success, who is familiar with the deal history, who offers the client his or her email address, cell number and direct dial number. </p>
<p>2. Can a computer really generate a comparative market analysis? A computer can provide some data for a comparative market analysis, but an agent&#8217;s judgment is valuable. And without such judgment the client is likely to overprice the listing and suffer on the market. Before Redfin lists a home, two Redfin agents typically prepare two separate comparative market analyses to ensure we agree on the price range; if there is significant disagreement, we perform a third. The weakness in our approach is that the agents have not seen the home, only a set of photos, but after having visited some homes we found that this made the customer feel better without having a material effect on the outcome of the analysis. That said, preparing a CMA without having seen the home is a weakness in our approach.</p>
<p>3. Don&#8217;t all agents market homes online? Even if we grant as you say that the majority of agents market homes online, this is not a guarantee. With Redfin, it is a term of our service that the property will be systematically posted to other websites multiple times a week. We have measured the effect of different online tactics, and optimized our strategy. There are few other brokerages that offer a defined, regular, sustained online marketing program as a term of its service.</p>
<p>4. Isn&#8217;t staging an important service for the brokerage to offer? We are now changing our listing program to include with our fee professional photography; we&#8217;re also preparing an online guide to staging a home, with photos to explain how different tactics improve a home&#8217;s appearance. That said, we still feel that a professional stager with a warehouse full of furniture is likely to deliver a better result than we can alone. We try to persuade our clients to think of the commission savings as money that can be used in part to invest in material improvements to the property, through staging, landscaping and painting. Some traditional agents offer such services at no additional charge; few offer $12,000 worth of services.</p>
<p>5. Do buyers ask for the commission savings the seller was anticipating getting for himself? We have never seen a buyer factor into his or her pricing the seller&#8217;s commission savings. Of course, our listing almost always offer a 3% commission to the buyer&#8217;s agent; this isn&#8217;t hypocrisy on our part, only pragmatism. We don&#8217;t want to discourage any buyer&#8217;s agents from recommending the property, and we are not trying to dictate to other brokerages what fees they should reap. </p>
<p>6. Are sellers really saving $12,000? Yes, this is the approximate average net savings, notwithstanding whatever money the customer invested in the property that he wouldn&#8217;t have had to invest himself if he had to work with a traditional agent. If a more accurate number were $10,000, we would have used that number; the commission savings are significant in any event, and we would rather be credible than aggressive in our claims. The number may actually decline as we enter less lucrative markets, and as housing prices overall decline. And we have been trying to develop a fair way to measure if we get a better or worse outcome than other brokerages, as this of course is the ultimate arbiter of our service&#8217;s value. </p>
<p>Thanks again for the great questions, and thanks Joel for your excellent post. I apologize in advance for any typos or gaffes; I had to write this in a rush!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Citron</title>
		<link>http://www.futureofrealestatemarketing.com/redfin-woos-buyers-with-new-web-site-features/comment-page-1/#comment-17517</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Citron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redfin... Why no response to my detailed questions and concerns regarding your home listing services? I thought Blogs were an open forum to discuss and debate thoughts and perceptions. Or, can  you not handle the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redfin&#8230; Why no response to my detailed questions and concerns regarding your home listing services? I thought Blogs were an open forum to discuss and debate thoughts and perceptions. Or, can  you not handle the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Goyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Goyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Prudential Hawaii,

What are you looking for in terms of real estate analytics data? We&#039;re always looking to add more.

And we definitely added the similar listings to manage pricing expectations.

Matt
Redfin Lead Product Manager - Search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Prudential Hawaii,</p>
<p>What are you looking for in terms of real estate analytics data? We&#8217;re always looking to add more.</p>
<p>And we definitely added the similar listings to manage pricing expectations.</p>
<p>Matt<br />
Redfin Lead Product Manager &#8211; Search</p>
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		<title>By: Prudential Hawaii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prudential Hawaii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The price changes are cool. But still leave a lot on the table in terms of real estate analytics data. Wasn&#039;t able to view individual properties on Microsoft&#039;s &quot;Birdseye View&quot; technology. The &quot;Similar Listings&quot; functionality is good way to help manage seller&#039;s expectations about pricing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The price changes are cool. But still leave a lot on the table in terms of real estate analytics data. Wasn&#8217;t able to view individual properties on Microsoft&#8217;s &#8220;Birdseye View&#8221; technology. The &#8220;Similar Listings&#8221; functionality is good way to help manage seller&#8217;s expectations about pricing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Citron</title>
		<link>http://www.futureofrealestatemarketing.com/redfin-woos-buyers-with-new-web-site-features/comment-page-1/#comment-17478</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Citron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed reading your post and browsing Redfin.com&#039;s website.  After reviewing their pdf brochure on how Redfin&#039;s selling services compare to a traditional real estate agent, I have some concerns that maybe the people at Redfin can answer in regards to the home selling process:
1.  &quot;Personal Connection With Agent&quot;  How can Redfin use the word, &quot;personal,&quot; when you do not physically meet with a Redfin seller in the beginning of the listing period?  Is a phone conversation really personal?
2.  Comparative Market Analysis: Even with the algorithms becoming more reliable on Zillow.com and other home estimate websites, can a computer program really give you better accuracy than a &quot;personalized&quot; marketing plan from a live, in-person, expert real estate agent?  Remember, homes are owner&#039;s largest financial assets!  
3.  Refin suggests that &quot;maybe&quot; typical agents advertise their property listings online.  With the NAR stating that over 81% of home buyers use the Internet to find homes, the majority of agents are certainly (NOT MAYBE) implementing an online marketing plan for their listings instead of traditional print media.
4.  Redfin also suggests that Staging Coordination is extra.  Many agents are taking    home staging classes at their local boards in order to educate their sellers on the importance of the product of their listing.  Of course, we do not charge extra for this service.  We want our listings (and listing images) to stand above the competition and increase or showings and commissions. Unless  we educate our sellers and point out the needed staging changes, most sellers will just take pictures and stage their homes as they live in the home, which may detract potential home buyers.  
5.  My biggest concern: Does a buyer, who is working with an agent or without an agent, know that Redfin is a discount brokerage?  If they do, won&#039;t they work the &quot;$12,000&quot; average break in commission into their asking price anways.  Are agents responsible to tell their buyers that sellers are paying less commission to the listing agent and advise them to put in a lower offer?

Sorry for the long post, and hope to hear some engaging responses.

6.  Are Redfin sellers really saving $12,000 on  average when you look at the big picture on the closing statement as to the net proceeds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed reading your post and browsing Redfin.com&#8217;s website.  After reviewing their pdf brochure on how Redfin&#8217;s selling services compare to a traditional real estate agent, I have some concerns that maybe the people at Redfin can answer in regards to the home selling process:<br />
1.  &#8220;Personal Connection With Agent&#8221;  How can Redfin use the word, &#8220;personal,&#8221; when you do not physically meet with a Redfin seller in the beginning of the listing period?  Is a phone conversation really personal?<br />
2.  Comparative Market Analysis: Even with the algorithms becoming more reliable on Zillow.com and other home estimate websites, can a computer program really give you better accuracy than a &#8220;personalized&#8221; marketing plan from a live, in-person, expert real estate agent?  Remember, homes are owner&#8217;s largest financial assets!<br />
3.  Refin suggests that &#8220;maybe&#8221; typical agents advertise their property listings online.  With the NAR stating that over 81% of home buyers use the Internet to find homes, the majority of agents are certainly (NOT MAYBE) implementing an online marketing plan for their listings instead of traditional print media.<br />
4.  Redfin also suggests that Staging Coordination is extra.  Many agents are taking    home staging classes at their local boards in order to educate their sellers on the importance of the product of their listing.  Of course, we do not charge extra for this service.  We want our listings (and listing images) to stand above the competition and increase or showings and commissions. Unless  we educate our sellers and point out the needed staging changes, most sellers will just take pictures and stage their homes as they live in the home, which may detract potential home buyers.<br />
5.  My biggest concern: Does a buyer, who is working with an agent or without an agent, know that Redfin is a discount brokerage?  If they do, won&#8217;t they work the &#8220;$12,000&#8243; average break in commission into their asking price anways.  Are agents responsible to tell their buyers that sellers are paying less commission to the listing agent and advise them to put in a lower offer?</p>
<p>Sorry for the long post, and hope to hear some engaging responses.</p>
<p>6.  Are Redfin sellers really saving $12,000 on  average when you look at the big picture on the closing statement as to the net proceeds?</p>
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		<title>By: Comp Homes from your Mac Baby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comp Homes from your Mac Baby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking about it: Future of Real Estate Marketing, TechCrunch   Permalink  Related [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talking about it: Future of Real Estate Marketing, TechCrunch   Permalink  Related [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Galen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We consider ourselves flattered. Pretty much across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We consider ourselves flattered. Pretty much across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Big News: Ignore all that fine print, tear through all that red tape &#8212; Redfin.com supports Safari at last! &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
		<link>http://www.futureofrealestatemarketing.com/redfin-woos-buyers-with-new-web-site-features/comment-page-1/#comment-17473</link>
		<dc:creator>Big News: Ignore all that fine print, tear through all that red tape &#8212; Redfin.com supports Safari at last! &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#160;Elsewhere: Michael Arrington, Glenn Kelman, Kris Berg, Joel Burslem. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &nbsp;Elsewhere: Michael Arrington, Glenn Kelman, Kris Berg, Joel Burslem. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burslem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Burslem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick and @Cynthia - Nice catches...that&#039;s the problem with BBC (blogging before coffee). I&#039;ve updated the post with your edits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick and @Cynthia &#8211; Nice catches&#8230;that&#8217;s the problem with BBC (blogging before coffee). I&#8217;ve updated the post with your edits.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Pang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Pang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joel, 
No bad blood up here in Seattle! We still provide Zillow information, right next to eppraisal ... look under &quot;Home Value Estimates&quot; on the Listing Detail Page. Here&#039;s an example: http://redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=670981.

And we&#039;re glad you like the new features!

Regards,
Cynthia Pang
Redfin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joel,<br />
No bad blood up here in Seattle! We still provide Zillow information, right next to eppraisal &#8230; look under &#8220;Home Value Estimates&#8221; on the Listing Detail Page. Here&#8217;s an example: <a href="http://redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=670981" rel="nofollow">http://redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=670981</a>.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re glad you like the new features!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Cynthia Pang<br />
Redfin</p>
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