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	<title>Comments on: A Dinosaur Stirs &#8211; AOL Real Estate Relaunches</title>
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		<title>By: BRER Real Estate Marketing Blog - by Kathleen Allardyce from BuildRealEstateResults.com &#187; Is Google the Only Game in Town?</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRER Real Estate Marketing Blog - by Kathleen Allardyce from BuildRealEstateResults.com &#187; Is Google the Only Game in Town?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is doing some interesting things with their real estate search.  Take a look at this post on the Future of Real Estate Marketing site.  Players like Zillow and Trulia will need to deal with some of the more established sites [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is doing some interesting things with their real estate search.  Take a look at this post on the Future of Real Estate Marketing site.  Players like Zillow and Trulia will need to deal with some of the more established sites [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kramer Says - Don&#8217;t You Dare Buy A Home Now</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Kramer Says - Don&#8217;t You Dare Buy A Home Now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] to Joel Burslem of The Future of Real Estate Marketing, AOL Real Estate has a new look and feel. Check it [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] to Joel Burslem of The Future of Real Estate Marketing, AOL Real Estate has a new look and feel. Check it [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Hawaii Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawaii Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am more in fear of Google Local then I am of this AOL redesign. And as a lot of people mention in the comments. Local is where it&#039;s at. No doubt, the larger players will get their piece of the action, but you cannot compete with local knowledge that the smaller players can provide.

So the question becomes, who is going to be the first to put a bunch of local players together to create a larger network? I hope that our brokerage, Real Connections, inc. is the answer to this. We are in version 4.0 of our software which will release in Beta in 2 weeks. After we do our full launch, the idea is to unify brokerages around the nation to form a site that offers local knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am more in fear of Google Local then I am of this AOL redesign. And as a lot of people mention in the comments. Local is where it&#8217;s at. No doubt, the larger players will get their piece of the action, but you cannot compete with local knowledge that the smaller players can provide.</p>
<p>So the question becomes, who is going to be the first to put a bunch of local players together to create a larger network? I hope that our brokerage, Real Connections, inc. is the answer to this. We are in version 4.0 of our software which will release in Beta in 2 weeks. After we do our full launch, the idea is to unify brokerages around the nation to form a site that offers local knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Housing Bubble and Real Estate Market Tracker - Seeking Alpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Housing Bubble and Real Estate Market Tracker - Seeking Alpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] A Dinosaur Stirs - AOL Real Estate Relaunches (Future of Real Estate Marketing, Oct. 1st): &quot;AOL Real Estate just did a soft launch of its real estate portal - the site, still in BETA, has been significantly redesigned and now incorporates map-based search using maps from Mapquest, home valuation tools from Cyberhomes (see Cyberhomes Sneaks Into the Big Time) and mortgage data from Bankrate.com… This really signals to me is that old media is waking up to real estate online. This is only the beginning in the evolution at established media properties that will begin to incorporate more of a search tools pioneered by the Real Estate 2.0 crowd.&quot; [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] A Dinosaur Stirs &#8211; AOL Real Estate Relaunches (Future of Real Estate Marketing, Oct. 1st): &#8220;AOL Real Estate just did a soft launch of its real estate portal &#8211; the site, still in BETA, has been significantly redesigned and now incorporates map-based search using maps from Mapquest, home valuation tools from Cyberhomes (see Cyberhomes Sneaks Into the Big Time) and mortgage data from Bankrate.com… This really signals to me is that old media is waking up to real estate online. This is only the beginning in the evolution at established media properties that will begin to incorporate more of a search tools pioneered by the Real Estate 2.0 crowd.&#8221; [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOL&#039;s name recognition gives it an audience and chance at success.  A relaunch though indicates how poorly the previous model&#039;s results must have been. You know I haven&#039;t visited AOL in years. I think I&#039;ll go do that right now and reminisce...

... OK, 30 seconds was enough.  I saw the AOL logo and into my head popped early 1990&#039;s visions of Bust A Move and Buster Douglas.  Memory bliss, yet all symbols of the past.  Now I&#039;m running to YouTube to find Young MC&#039;s video.  This thread has made my morning very nonproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOL&#8217;s name recognition gives it an audience and chance at success.  A relaunch though indicates how poorly the previous model&#8217;s results must have been. You know I haven&#8217;t visited AOL in years. I think I&#8217;ll go do that right now and reminisce&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; OK, 30 seconds was enough.  I saw the AOL logo and into my head popped early 1990&#8217;s visions of Bust A Move and Buster Douglas.  Memory bliss, yet all symbols of the past.  Now I&#8217;m running to YouTube to find Young MC&#8217;s video.  This thread has made my morning very nonproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burslem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Burslem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David - Zillow will no doubt continue to get a piece of the ad dollar pie. It&#039;s just that, as there&#039;s more competition, that piece gets smaller. Especially when everyone start revamping themselves to offer exactly what Zillow offers. 

We can agree to disagree on the vertical vs. portal approach - but I&#039;m hedging my bets on who can best reach the offline world, where most people that I talk to on the street, in the bar, have never even heard of Zillow or Trulia. Most of them have heard of AOL or Yahoo! however. I would suspect there are far more of them then there are of us. 

IMHO - Compete&#039;s graph is representative of that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David &#8211; Zillow will no doubt continue to get a piece of the ad dollar pie. It&#8217;s just that, as there&#8217;s more competition, that piece gets smaller. Especially when everyone start revamping themselves to offer exactly what Zillow offers. </p>
<p>We can agree to disagree on the vertical vs. portal approach &#8211; but I&#8217;m hedging my bets on who can best reach the offline world, where most people that I talk to on the street, in the bar, have never even heard of Zillow or Trulia. Most of them have heard of AOL or Yahoo! however. I would suspect there are far more of them then there are of us. </p>
<p>IMHO &#8211; Compete&#8217;s graph is representative of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burslem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Burslem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael - I probably should have said &#039;renewed&#039; real estate plays. I think that real estate, at least for the last few years, has been largely an after thought for most of the big media players. Sure there have been attempts by some of them to build out a site full of listings, but it was always difficult to monetize - hence the failed lead gen models.

You&#039;re right - they see the success that Zillow has had and are stirring to life. This is a different idea - real estate data as content. A true media model. This is a business these guys know well.

Couple that with the real estate ad dollars fleeing print for online and they&#039;re moving into action.

I bet we&#039;re going to see some pretty major moves in the next few months as these guys rumble to life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael &#8211; I probably should have said &#8216;renewed&#8217; real estate plays. I think that real estate, at least for the last few years, has been largely an after thought for most of the big media players. Sure there have been attempts by some of them to build out a site full of listings, but it was always difficult to monetize &#8211; hence the failed lead gen models.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; they see the success that Zillow has had and are stirring to life. This is a different idea &#8211; real estate data as content. A true media model. This is a business these guys know well.</p>
<p>Couple that with the real estate ad dollars fleeing print for online and they&#8217;re moving into action.</p>
<p>I bet we&#8217;re going to see some pretty major moves in the next few months as these guys rumble to life.</p>
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		<title>By: David G from Zillow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G from Zillow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel - so, just because the data you needed wasn&#039;t freely available you published whatever was available? -d-u-d-e- 

Consider that the portal traffic &quot;funneled&quot; comes at both an opportunity cost and a development cost to the portal ... not unlike the marketing costs that vertical web sites have to bear. So, a vertical site&#039;s challenge is no greater than a portal&#039;s, only different. The portal vs. vertical debate is as old as the web itself and has no clear winner. In the real estate space, my personal bet is on the innovation that comes with a vertical focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel &#8211; so, just because the data you needed wasn&#8217;t freely available you published whatever was available? -d-u-d-e- </p>
<p>Consider that the portal traffic &#8220;funneled&#8221; comes at both an opportunity cost and a development cost to the portal &#8230; not unlike the marketing costs that vertical web sites have to bear. So, a vertical site&#8217;s challenge is no greater than a portal&#8217;s, only different. The portal vs. vertical debate is as old as the web itself and has no clear winner. In the real estate space, my personal bet is on the innovation that comes with a vertical focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joel, Maybe I missed something but you sound as if AOL is just now jumping into the Real Estate space, they are just realigning their content partnerships and re-launching the site. The beta label for the likes of AOL is kind of silly if you ask me. Consumers see the site for what it is. A. Useful B. Not Useful. 

McClatchy and Tribune are a part of Homescape, a division of Classified Ventures, (the other players are Belo,The Washington Post and Gannett) who like AOL have been pursuing the online real estate space for years. Homescape has announced new strategies to partner with Brokers to get listing data, so in a way they will be playing catch up when it comes to the numbers game. Newspaper sites have tried any number of different ways to capitalize on what you refer to as a funnel effect. By and large, it has yet to prove effective in most major markets. Thus the redirected effort on Homescape&#039;s part when it comes to listing content. 

As far as AOL is concerned, they see the tremendous consumer success that Zillow has been able to capture and they are redirecting their partnerships to capitalize on it in any way they can. Starting over isn&#039;t easy, even if you&#039;re AOL. Scrapping the real estate section of their portal and rebuilding should tell you what level of success, or lack thereof, that they have had over the years and In my opinion they will have to work about as hard as anyone else to compete with the likes of Trulia and Zillow. The Halo effect just isn&#039;t as strong as you might think. There are still plenty of other partnership opportunities to be had as well. 

Jayson,
I am scratching my head at your comment. It went from SEO is important to traditional advertising is here to stay for years to come. So that begs the question........ huh????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joel, Maybe I missed something but you sound as if AOL is just now jumping into the Real Estate space, they are just realigning their content partnerships and re-launching the site. The beta label for the likes of AOL is kind of silly if you ask me. Consumers see the site for what it is. A. Useful B. Not Useful. </p>
<p>McClatchy and Tribune are a part of Homescape, a division of Classified Ventures, (the other players are Belo,The Washington Post and Gannett) who like AOL have been pursuing the online real estate space for years. Homescape has announced new strategies to partner with Brokers to get listing data, so in a way they will be playing catch up when it comes to the numbers game. Newspaper sites have tried any number of different ways to capitalize on what you refer to as a funnel effect. By and large, it has yet to prove effective in most major markets. Thus the redirected effort on Homescape&#8217;s part when it comes to listing content. </p>
<p>As far as AOL is concerned, they see the tremendous consumer success that Zillow has been able to capture and they are redirecting their partnerships to capitalize on it in any way they can. Starting over isn&#8217;t easy, even if you&#8217;re AOL. Scrapping the real estate section of their portal and rebuilding should tell you what level of success, or lack thereof, that they have had over the years and In my opinion they will have to work about as hard as anyone else to compete with the likes of Trulia and Zillow. The Halo effect just isn&#8217;t as strong as you might think. There are still plenty of other partnership opportunities to be had as well. </p>
<p>Jayson,<br />
I am scratching my head at your comment. It went from SEO is important to traditional advertising is here to stay for years to come. So that begs the question&#8230;&#8230;.. huh????</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burslem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Burslem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DavidG - Totally. Unfortunately tools like Quantcast and Compete don&#039;t allow you to break down traffic on a portal&#039;s subdomains, so you&#039;re stuck analyzing TLDs. 

My point really though was that the portals (and newspapers) can leverage existing traffic and the network effect and funnel it into their real estate verticals. Standalone destinations like Trulia and Zillow face a much greater challenge building a unique destination. Not a new issue - but relevant, as the thrust of this post was that I think more and more mainstream media outlets like AOL will be pursuing real estate plays very quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DavidG &#8211; Totally. Unfortunately tools like Quantcast and Compete don&#8217;t allow you to break down traffic on a portal&#8217;s subdomains, so you&#8217;re stuck analyzing TLDs. </p>
<p>My point really though was that the portals (and newspapers) can leverage existing traffic and the network effect and funnel it into their real estate verticals. Standalone destinations like Trulia and Zillow face a much greater challenge building a unique destination. Not a new issue &#8211; but relevant, as the thrust of this post was that I think more and more mainstream media outlets like AOL will be pursuing real estate plays very quickly.</p>
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